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		<title>By: itakora.com &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Técnicas de etnografía efectiva para proyectos de bajo coste</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jun 2010 21:03:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Otro tema que tocaron fue si había que diseñar para personas que se arriesgan y cambian su modo de hacer las cosas; o por el contrario había que diseñar para personas que no quieren cambiar de hábitos. Puedes seguir el hilo de este tema en Johny Holland(4) [...]</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 06:54:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] in the mail or on the phone. She was standing shoulder to shoulder with the 20 or so other...Johnny Holland - It&#039;s all about interaction Blog Archive ...Methods &amp; theory. Utopians &amp; Idealists: Who Can Handle Innovation? ... view was that new [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] in the mail or on the phone. She was standing shoulder to shoulder with the 20 or so other&#8230;Johnny Holland &#8211; It&#39;s all about interaction Blog Archive &#8230;Methods &amp; theory. Utopians &amp; Idealists: Who Can Handle Innovation? &#8230; view was that new [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Johnny Holland - It&#8217;s all about interaction &#187; Blog Archive &#187; EuroIA 09 report: day 1</title>
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		<dc:creator>Johnny Holland - It&#8217;s all about interaction &#187; Blog Archive &#187; EuroIA 09 report: day 1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 23:08:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Another of the presentation was about the different customers you have to design for, who can be utopians or idealists. This basically means they are open for change or prefer stability. If you want to know more about that, I recommend the article Sabrina and James wrote: Utopians &amp; Idealists: Who Can Handle Innovation? [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Another of the presentation was about the different customers you have to design for, who can be utopians or idealists. This basically means they are open for change or prefer stability. If you want to know more about that, I recommend the article Sabrina and James wrote: Utopians &amp; Idealists: Who Can Handle Innovation? [...]</p>
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		<title>By: philippe bodart</title>
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		<dc:creator>philippe bodart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 12:29:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>good info and inputs on the pleasant topic i truly agree on that.</description>
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		<title>By: Meitar Moscovitz (maymaym) 's status on Friday, 11-Sep-09 20:48:48 UTC - Identi.ca</title>
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		<dc:creator>Meitar Moscovitz (maymaym) 's status on Friday, 11-Sep-09 20:48:48 UTC - Identi.ca</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...]  http://johnnyholland.org/2009/09/05/utopians-and-idealists-how-to-design-products-fitting-the-needs...       a few seconds ago  from web [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Technology, Idealists, Utopians, Hype and Chasms - broadstuff</title>
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		<description>[...] Idealists, Utopians, Hype and Chasms      Interesting article on Johnny Holland about the tribes that follow radical innovations:  Research by anthropologists and sociologists has [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Twitted by Velarix</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 09:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: ritchielee</title>
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		<dc:creator>ritchielee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 19:52:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The fact that testing is good, and that we agree on that is great.

I&#039;ve made the point a couple of times now: Neilsen and for the sake of inclusion, Jared Spool have spent years evaluating new techniques. That they adopt something or not comes down to their conclusions - it&#039;s not that as you suggest they wait for it to be proven. It&#039;s in their interests to be up with new developments - it&#039;s their vocation.

As to your second point then, the &#039;idealists&#039; do not lose any advantage as they have been heavily involved; and due to their rigorousness they are probably more in tune than your &#039;utopians&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The fact that testing is good, and that we agree on that is great.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve made the point a couple of times now: Neilsen and for the sake of inclusion, Jared Spool have spent years evaluating new techniques. That they adopt something or not comes down to their conclusions &#8211; it&#8217;s not that as you suggest they wait for it to be proven. It&#8217;s in their interests to be up with new developments &#8211; it&#8217;s their vocation.</p>
<p>As to your second point then, the &#8216;idealists&#8217; do not lose any advantage as they have been heavily involved; and due to their rigorousness they are probably more in tune than your &#8216;utopians&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: James Page</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Page</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 15:55:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ritchielee I agree with you that there are toolbox(es), My point is that everyones toolbox is different.

I think we agree, let me rephrase. When a new idea arrives, two groups form. One group adopts the idea, the other doesn&#039;t do it immediately. As you say that they want it to pass the test of time. (Proven becomes a whole new debate.)

So the idealist group will benefit from not having to waist their time on learning new techniques or methods until they become established, while the Utopian group will have the advantage of a head start if one of the ideas catches on.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://scholar.google.co.uk/scholar?hl=en
&amp;q=Ideology%20and%20Utopia%20Mannheim&amp;cts=1252424559950&amp;um=1&amp;&quot;&gt;Mannheim&#039;s&lt;/a&gt; theory is pretty &lt;a href=&quot;http://scholar.google.co.uk/scholar?cites=14045258413591799211&amp;hl=en&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;established&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ritchielee I agree with you that there are toolbox(es), My point is that everyones toolbox is different.</p>
<p>I think we agree, let me rephrase. When a new idea arrives, two groups form. One group adopts the idea, the other doesn&#8217;t do it immediately. As you say that they want it to pass the test of time. (Proven becomes a whole new debate.)</p>
<p>So the idealist group will benefit from not having to waist their time on learning new techniques or methods until they become established, while the Utopian group will have the advantage of a head start if one of the ideas catches on.</p>
<p><a href="http://scholar.google.co.uk/scholar?hl=en<br />
&amp;q=Ideology%20and%20Utopia%20Mannheim&amp;cts=1252424559950&amp;um=1&amp;">Mannheim&#8217;s</a> theory is pretty <a href="http://scholar.google.co.uk/scholar?cites=14045258413591799211&amp;hl=en" rel="nofollow">established</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: ritchielee</title>
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		<dc:creator>ritchielee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 14:59:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Small sidestep there. He&#039;s been using/testing with the latest gear so he *is* working with new innovations.

For you to swiftly dismiss that there is not a toolbox is a little odd.
http://www.infotoday.com/cilmag/jan03/pace.shtml
Not sure what you mean by universal - I certainly didn&#039;t use that phrase.

Great results can be achieved through putting time into proven iterative design and testing techniques. I should know: I&#039;ve rigorously applied them - questioning my every move for justification.

I&#039;m not saying for a minute that the new stuff can&#039;t be supplementary and explored; it&#039;s just that first exploiting proven methods must be advocated.

I&#039;m enjoying the debate although, as has happened before, the discussion has one party with something to sell.
Funnily enough - I do like your idea as another tool, but I&#039;m not sure you should take the tack of dismissing other techniques from your work e.g. personas. It would be beneficial for all to talk authoritatively about the merits and disadvantages of each, as Neilsen has.

Good luck.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Small sidestep there. He&#8217;s been using/testing with the latest gear so he *is* working with new innovations.</p>
<p>For you to swiftly dismiss that there is not a toolbox is a little odd.<br />
<a href="http://www.infotoday.com/cilmag/jan03/pace.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://www.infotoday.com/cilmag/jan03/pace.shtml</a><br />
Not sure what you mean by universal &#8211; I certainly didn&#8217;t use that phrase.</p>
<p>Great results can be achieved through putting time into proven iterative design and testing techniques. I should know: I&#8217;ve rigorously applied them &#8211; questioning my every move for justification.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not saying for a minute that the new stuff can&#8217;t be supplementary and explored; it&#8217;s just that first exploiting proven methods must be advocated.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m enjoying the debate although, as has happened before, the discussion has one party with something to sell.<br />
Funnily enough &#8211; I do like your idea as another tool, but I&#8217;m not sure you should take the tack of dismissing other techniques from your work e.g. personas. It would be beneficial for all to talk authoritatively about the merits and disadvantages of each, as Neilsen has.</p>
<p>Good luck.</p>
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