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		<title>By: Why online ratings don't work &#124; Userplus</title>
		<link>http://johnnyholland.org/2009/10/why-online-ratings-dont-work/#comment-109549</link>
		<dc:creator>Why online ratings don't work &#124; Userplus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Mar 2011 15:34:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] posted by Lonneke in UX Thoughts  Johnny Holland magazine wrote an interesting article on why online ratings don&#8217;t work. They look at it from social interaction design [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] posted by Lonneke in UX Thoughts  Johnny Holland magazine wrote an interesting article on why online ratings don&#8217;t work. They look at it from social interaction design [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Tyesha</title>
		<link>http://johnnyholland.org/2009/10/why-online-ratings-dont-work/#comment-109548</link>
		<dc:creator>Tyesha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 22:34:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve found that the when business needs trump user needs in the design of rating systems is when the ratings loose value and become victim to what you are discussing here.

Many of these systems are designed for easy entry in order to collect as much input as possible so the site (business) appears successful and supported by an engaged community. Adding the functionality necessary to garner better ratings would have an impact on the volume of ratings.

But I do see this changing, businesses are starting understand the real value of good UGC.

Thanks for the article, it articulates a lot of what I&#039;ve been trying to talk with my clients about, I&#039;ll get a lot of use out of it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve found that the when business needs trump user needs in the design of rating systems is when the ratings loose value and become victim to what you are discussing here.</p>
<p>Many of these systems are designed for easy entry in order to collect as much input as possible so the site (business) appears successful and supported by an engaged community. Adding the functionality necessary to garner better ratings would have an impact on the volume of ratings.</p>
<p>But I do see this changing, businesses are starting understand the real value of good UGC.</p>
<p>Thanks for the article, it articulates a lot of what I&#8217;ve been trying to talk with my clients about, I&#8217;ll get a lot of use out of it!</p>
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		<title>By: Adrian Chan</title>
		<link>http://johnnyholland.org/2009/10/why-online-ratings-dont-work/#comment-109547</link>
		<dc:creator>Adrian Chan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 12:53:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks all for your comments!

I think the behaviors we see today indicate how well, or how poorly, these systems are working in their current social context and within existing constraints on implementation. Some contexts (eg autos custom) may have turned into gestural and signalling systems (as you note, maureen). Some could become richer (Scott) with better filtering and pre-qualification. I don&#039;t know if Goog will open up its data, or FB, but i do think that in the distributed conversation space (activity streams) attempts are being made to capture and share more meta data. Analytics engines and metrics providers will jump on this as it becomes available. It&#039;ll take time, it seems only inevitable. And I think it&#039;s worth the social design community thinking about, for there are certainly design issues involved, both of the UI and social interaction models.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks all for your comments!</p>
<p>I think the behaviors we see today indicate how well, or how poorly, these systems are working in their current social context and within existing constraints on implementation. Some contexts (eg autos custom) may have turned into gestural and signalling systems (as you note, maureen). Some could become richer (Scott) with better filtering and pre-qualification. I don&#8217;t know if Goog will open up its data, or FB, but i do think that in the distributed conversation space (activity streams) attempts are being made to capture and share more meta data. Analytics engines and metrics providers will jump on this as it becomes available. It&#8217;ll take time, it seems only inevitable. And I think it&#8217;s worth the social design community thinking about, for there are certainly design issues involved, both of the UI and social interaction models.</p>
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		<title>By: maureen</title>
		<link>http://johnnyholland.org/2009/10/why-online-ratings-dont-work/#comment-109546</link>
		<dc:creator>maureen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 05:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While doing my own research on rating systems I found this great little article (with graphs!) about the ratings in different Yahoo communities: http://buildingreputation.com/writings/2009/08/ratings_bias_effects.html

In the article the authors write about the one community that *did* have a healthy mix of ratings, Autos Custom.

&quot;Looking more closely at how Autos Custom ratings worked and the content was being evaluated showed why 1-stars were given out so often: users were providing feedback to other users in order to get them to change their behavior. Specifically, you would get one star if you 1) Didn&#039;t upload a picture of your ride, or 2) uploaded a dealer stock photo of your ride. The site is Autos Custom, after all! The 5-star ratings were reserved for the best-of-the-best. Two through Four stars were actually used to evaluate quality and completeness of the car&#039;s profile. Unlike all the sites graphed here, the 5-star scale truly represented a broad sentiment and people worked to improve their scores.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While doing my own research on rating systems I found this great little article (with graphs!) about the ratings in different Yahoo communities: <a href="http://buildingreputation.com/writings/2009/08/ratings_bias_effects.html" rel="nofollow">http://buildingreputation.com/writings/2009/08/ratings_bias_effects.html</a></p>
<p>In the article the authors write about the one community that *did* have a healthy mix of ratings, Autos Custom.</p>
<p>&#8220;Looking more closely at how Autos Custom ratings worked and the content was being evaluated showed why 1-stars were given out so often: users were providing feedback to other users in order to get them to change their behavior. Specifically, you would get one star if you 1) Didn&#8217;t upload a picture of your ride, or 2) uploaded a dealer stock photo of your ride. The site is Autos Custom, after all! The 5-star ratings were reserved for the best-of-the-best. Two through Four stars were actually used to evaluate quality and completeness of the car&#8217;s profile. Unlike all the sites graphed here, the 5-star scale truly represented a broad sentiment and people worked to improve their scores.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Cory</title>
		<link>http://johnnyholland.org/2009/10/why-online-ratings-dont-work/#comment-109545</link>
		<dc:creator>Cory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 01:14:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wish Google would read this and open up some of it&#039;s data to either support or refute what you&#039;ve said.  From the search side of things, I think the last bullet in the Reduce Ambiguity section plays a role in ranking sites for geo-targeted queries, but it gets incredibly interesting when user content comes into play as well - assigning numerical values to terms like \good\, \best\, \dark\ and \slow.\  Nice post!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wish Google would read this and open up some of it&#8217;s data to either support or refute what you&#8217;ve said.  From the search side of things, I think the last bullet in the Reduce Ambiguity section plays a role in ranking sites for geo-targeted queries, but it gets incredibly interesting when user content comes into play as well &#8211; assigning numerical values to terms like \good\, \best\, \dark\ and \slow.\  Nice post!</p>
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		<title>By: Dorian Taylor</title>
		<link>http://johnnyholland.org/2009/10/why-online-ratings-dont-work/#comment-109544</link>
		<dc:creator>Dorian Taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 20:19:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a sucker for the one-star product reviews on Amazon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a sucker for the one-star product reviews on Amazon.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Stadum</title>
		<link>http://johnnyholland.org/2009/10/why-online-ratings-dont-work/#comment-109543</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Stadum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 19:55:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d love if you&#039;d take a moment to read a post I wrote for Idealist.org a while back.

The idea behind the post is to identify nonprofit leadership through social media reputation scoring.

http://www.idealist.org/if/idealist/en/Blog/Controller/viewEntry?permalink-title=identifying-nonprofit-leaders-using-social-media

If you have a moment, I&#039;d love to hear your thoughts.

Regards,
Scott Stadum
Idealist.org</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d love if you&#8217;d take a moment to read a post I wrote for Idealist.org a while back.</p>
<p>The idea behind the post is to identify nonprofit leadership through social media reputation scoring.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.idealist.org/if/idealist/en/Blog/Controller/viewEntry?permalink-title=identifying-nonprofit-leaders-using-social-media" rel="nofollow">http://www.idealist.org/if/idealist/en/Blog/Controller/viewEntry?permalink-title=identifying-nonprofit-leaders-using-social-media</a></p>
<p>If you have a moment, I&#8217;d love to hear your thoughts.</p>
<p>Regards,<br />
Scott Stadum<br />
Idealist.org</p>
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